Background: I came across some clips Macken had on social media where he had some criticisms of manoswamp takes, and he reached out when I followed him on Twitter asking for a discussion on the topic. About: Macken Murphy is a GRS-funded scientist at the University of Melbourne. His public works on evolution have been praised by the BBC, the CBC, Booklist, Apple, the Press Association, and The New York Times, among others. Macken spoke for his class at BU's 2020 commencement, where he graduated magna cum laude as a Trustee Scholar from Kilachand Honors College, and completed an MSc at Oxford with the highest possible mark. He received an RI Civic Leadership Award for his volunteer work and a Segal Award for his service in the Americorps. Before academia, Macken was an amateur boxer, winning a New England championship by first-round KO and competing in the Golden Gloves twice.